Hello True Purple:

The problem we have here is about authority. Who is your authority? Who do you think ?has the last word to define when a group of cell is a person or not??

The God of the Bible?  A Medical Dicctionary?  Who? ?

Until we do not define the authority, we will be in a nonsense discussion, talking with the ?same words but each one giving different meanings.?

Bye for now

Your logic fails in assuming authority is needed to define this issue. I assume as a irrational way to bring god into it. I asked these thought provoking questions to anyone who wishes to debate the matter. Your answer is for you to decide. (free will and all that)

Until we do not define the authority

This sentence makes no sense. Basically your saying if we haven’t defined authority then we can talk sense. But if someone defines authority it will be nonsense. But that “until” future tense means authority has already been defined and needs to be undefined for us to talk about this.

I’m going to take a guess that you did not mean to write “do not” In which case see the first part of this post. (and even then the grammer doesn’t quit work)

Hello True Purple:?

Sorry if my comment was not clear. ?

What I want to say is that while we don’t have an agreement about the authority ??(authority to determine who is a human being), our conversation about abortion will be ?useless.?

For us Christians is the God of the Bible the Only One that can tell us for sure when a life ?is a human being.?

You said “Without a working brain, we are essentially dead. A brain is a complex bundle ?of nerves. Without a single nerve, we have no mind; we are not “alive” as a person yet.”?

Who told you that? How you know that you statement is true? ?

Anyway, we need to keep in the point. The intention of initial post was to found fallacies in ?the pro-choice argument, the intention was not to start a debate about if abortion is or not ?murder.

Bye, bye

A strawman prochoice arguement is posted in order to argue prolife views. So why not make it a real debate instead of people hiding behind the strawman.

Which of those statements do you question and why? Perhaps you could answer some of the questions I poised at the end of page 1 as well.

Hello:

I already post some questions. Please, answer my questions, and then I will be glad to answer your questions..

Here my question again:

1) Who do you think ?has the last word to define when a group of cells is a person or not?? The God of the Bible? Who? Tell us.

2)You said “Without a working brain, we are essentially dead. A brain is a complex bundle ?of nerves. Without a single nerve, we have no mind; we are not “alive” as a person yet.”? Who told you that? How do your know that you statement is true?

Bye, bye

I was just going to bed, so briefly..

Unless god spoke to you out loud in clear language that your belief is correct in every way, you can’t claim that your arguement is right because god told you so. Besides, if that were the case you would then need to show some proof god told you so. Furthermore some proof that strikes at the heart of christianity, the absolutism in every way of god.

Your hiding behind strawmen and religion. I don’t see logic.

I mean, using your logic you could say that I can’t claim orange juice is a orange edible liquid unless god said so.

Who told you orange juice was a liquid? How do you know that your statement of it being edible is true without some absolute authority? It really is a absurd fallacy arguement.

1. Noone has “last words” in a true discussion. Thats what makes it a discussion. And like I said, god doesn’t usually speak directly and specifically to people anyways. Plus you’d need some proof if you claim otherwise.

2. How do i know my statement is true? Most of those statements are common knowledge. The rest was simple deductive reasoning, reasoning I walked you through in that.

Hello TruePurple:?

There is a book, call the Bible, and this book is the Revelation of God. In case that God ?did not speak directly to me, He already is speaking directly to you. So please, get a Bible ??(you can even find one online) and search for a book call Psalm, check verses 22:10, ??71:6. There are more verses, so better read the entire Bible.?

Can you tell us what is logic? ?

I am just curios. Why do you want to have a conversation in a matter where nobody has ?the last word? ?If nobody has the last word, mean that nobody knows the true, and if nobody knows the ?true, so way we discuss? ?

Common knowledge!, That is very interesting. There was a time when the common ?knowledge was that the earth was flat.  Do you think common knowledge makes the ?thing become true? Do you really believe that? Is the common knowledge your source of ?wisdom and true??

Deductive reasoning? Now we are talking.  Please, explained to us from where you ?started your reasoning and how do you fall in your conclusions.?

Bye, bye

Briefly I will argue on your absurd terms, long enough to point out that none of those lines speak of conception, but just of the womb. And not in specific terms either. Nor do they speak on what a person is, or what a bunch of cells pre 3 days is.

Your premise of the bible tells me so is a religious, not logical one. Whos to say the bible is the word of god? Your religious leaders? The bible itself? Thats not proof. So, still disbelieving that orange juice,... hmm?!?

Thats common scientific knowledge, but since common scientific knowledge isn’t good enough for you, I guess a little magical rabbit runs your car. What proof do you have that its gasoline?! The bible doesn’t speak on that! Whos your final authority?!

Not to mention the bible does contradict itself in spots, but thats for another conversation, maybe.

It was that religous authority that repressed science now known to be true but at the time forcefully repressed. It was only common knowledge that the earth was flat for so long because of religion repressing science! Since only truth comes from bible/their canon translations of that bible, they claimed. 

Its common knowledge based on scientific principles and observed fact that the earth is a rough sphere, but I suppose you’d be glad to believe its flat because the bible doesn’t tell you otherwise!! I mean who needs logic when the bible tells you everything, right?! (but then, why are you posting on a forum theoretically devoted to logic?)

You explain your reasoning(if you have any that is), answer my questions now.(like you promised!) On abortion before two weeks, not the bible/christainity, lets not discuss religion here.

There is no “Fallacy of Relativism” except as a type of philosophical fallacy. May different religions and philosophies like to stereotype opposing viewpoints as fallacies. But an argument should only be called a fallacy if many different types of people recognize it as an error in logic.

Note: This forum is for discussing logical fallacies, not philosophical issues like whether abortion is morally justified, etc. If we’re going to discuss abortion, we need to focus on logical errors, not religious disagreements.

Hello TruePurple:?

I will answer as promised: Yes, abortion from the very moment of conception is murder. Just for clarification: I am not interested in discussing this matter here.

In my system of believes is the God of the Bible the Only One that can tell me for sure ??when something is True or False. Everything that comes from the Bible will be 100% ??accurate. ?

How I know that there is Creator God and that Bible is His Public Revelation, is ?another topic that I will not discuss here. This is a Christian Logic Forum, so I assume people ?here already know these basic things. ?

There is nothing I can do to make you come to my system of believes. No this forum, not ?hundreds of books about logic, nothing, will make you leave you system of believes ?where several or every person has the last words in something as if there were many ?different “trues” ( I can not even write true in plural, sorry if it is misspelled).?Only God can change your mind.

Since your system of believes (relativism of True and False, everybody or nobody has the ?reason, “different logics” etc) if different from the mine (absolutes) I will not continue ?the conversation. ?

Bye, bye